Another American officer, Daniel Harvey Hill, remarked the whole effort had been for nothing. Agricolae (talk) 03:30, 7 September 2008 (UTC), While I don't disagree with the sentiment, I'm not sure I'd count Iraq as a pyrrhic victory. Therefore I am combining the last sentence with the previous sentence, in hopes that Google will (eventually) display the whole definition. I am returning the Winter War to the list. The phrase is an allusion to King Pyrrhus of Epirus, whose army suffered irreplaceable casualties when he defeated the Romans during the Pyrrhic War". Because it's derived from a proper name it’s usually capitalized. I do not have any examples of words that use pyrrhic feet in everyday speech, although ‘u-huh’ and ‘uh-uh’ might count. Crazy Horse won but the cost was so high that he was eventually forced to surrender. The battle was fought between Pyrrhus' army and the Romans, commanded by Consul Publius Decius Mus. Overuse would result in a monotonous and depressing poem. I stumbled upon this situation while researching the Battle of Malplaquet (which is clearly a PV) and wondering why there weren't any PV examples on the Pyrrhic victory page. I attempted to change it to: "In both of Pyrrhus's victories, the Romans lost more men than Pyrrhus did. Maybe the Battle of Tarawa should be listed as Pyrrhic victory for the US Marines, who suffered heavy casualties. But falls into abatement and low price, Even in a minute: so full of shapes is fancy1. To sum up, we must ask the following questions to determine if the Battle of the Alamo – or any battle – should be included in the list of Pyrrhic victories: Cheers! That means that the cost of the battle was so high that the army was crippled without the posibility of fighting another battle whatsoever, let alone another war. Lostinlodos (talk) 05:57, 20 July 2020 (UTC), While Hamburger Hill did help to swing public opinion in the United States against the war, that was really the battle's only effect. In a Pyrrhic victory, he managed to grab the last muffin, but he lost the goodwill of his friends. The 3rd paragraph, describing the quote is confusing: "In both of Pyrrhus's victories, the Romans lost more men than Pyrrhus did. Just because one thing happens after another does not mean that they are necessarily related. Yet. Brought down as White, kept down as Black, brought up as None, left with me, The Extent Of The Empire In The Age Of The Antonines II, Pete Townshend was right about Saddam Hussein. Seriously, the examples need to have some sort of citations for why they're in the list. SATXeditor says: If we think about this revolution relative to the size of the armies involved, And the Pesians still had enough troop to invade greece , occupy athens and fight major battles at salamis, platea and mycale. SATXeditor says: (2) the main page for battle of the Alamo also indicates "Most Alamo historians place the number of Mexican casualties at 400–600. He is quoted after this second battle in Plutarch's Life of Pyrrhus as saying, "One more victory like this will be the end of me. — Molly-in-md (talk) 12:53, 6 September 2019 (UTC), Most of list of battles seems to be original research.--MiguelMadeira (talk) 15:19, 23 January 2017 (UTC). The Battle of Torgau was fought during the Seven Years' War, between the Prussians commanded by King Frederick the Great and the Austrians commanded by Marshal Daun. Readers of the German magazine Der Spiegel were greeted last week by a startling image on the front cover – a cartoon showing Donald Trump holding the severed head of the Statue of Liberty. a kind of war dance.]. After the latter battle, Plutarch relates in a … Since their losses were not heavy, they cannot be so heavy as to be tantamount to defeat. (Hohum @) 20:35, 16 February 2017 (UTC), Did a quickie, please feel free to revert as desired. Please check your details, and try again. No. Pinkbeast (talk) 23:28, 9 November 2018 (UTC), Often overlooked by military historians and there are plenty of reasons to see why this was a pyrrhic victory. The US suffered 72 killed and 372 wounded, which was hardly the "devastating toll" of the PV definition. Their repeated defeats to the much smaller Fins caught the attention of Adolph Hitler, a factor in his decision to invade Russia. After a brutal decade of low-scale terrorist attacks and the rise of IS, the new US administration has embraced not only the language, but also the policies that bin Laden hoped to provoke the Bush administration into pursuing so many years ago. Although the Bush administration used the 9/11 attack as justification for the invasion of Iraq, which ended up furthering the aims of Islamist radicals in the Middle East, the conflict never looked like a clash of civilizations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FCC8:AD08:EC00:B15F:60D3:E48C:9702 (talk) 00:32, 11 October 2018 (UTC). While the battle was technically won by the peruvians, it end up costing peru the whole war. Pinkbeast (talk) 17:42, 24 January 2017 (UTC), I still disagree for several reasons in addition to the quote from the Mexican officer that is almost identical to the Ancient Greek quotes on the Phyrric victory page itself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul G. Brown (talk • contribs) 04:55, 31 May 2004, In what way would Pearl Harbor be a Pyrrhic victory? Using that logic, the German invasion of Poland, the German invasion of Belgium (WWI), every single invasion caused by a country that eventually lose would be considered a "Pyrrhic victory". A confirmation email has been sent to you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.15.45.47 (talk) 04:25, 19 October 2007 (UTC), Although the Soviets had large losses, they were sustainable for the amount of time required and did not prevent ultimate Soviet victory. I couldn't think of a good actual example to put in there (although I'm sure there's one out there somewhere). Their World War I victory caused at least four major problems for the Allies. It was on September 11, 2001 that many in the West first learned of the aims of Islamic terrorism, at that time personified by Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda. Pyr"rhic (? Come on. ), a. --A.S. Brown (talk) 00:29, 15 July 2012 (UTC), This seems weirdly out of character to me -- I almost want to add a "citiation needed" tag... but yeah -- for instance it seems very likely that one would celebrate the pyrrhic victory of their enemies (or even aim to inflict such a "victory" on them). The allusion was clear, likening the chaos caused by Trump to the chaos caused by the so-called Islamic State (IS), whose beheading videos have spread across the internet like a virus. I do believe that crete is a Phyrric vicroty, as out of 22,000 soldiuers involved, 7,000 were killed, and more than 1 in 4 paretroops were killed. It is paticularly notable since it was called a phyrric victory soon after it was fought.Timber Rattlesnake 04:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC), I am pretty sure that listing "War on Terror" as an example is a political opinion. See the Battle of Bunker Hill for a PV example on the small level. For example, Crete definitely falls into the Chambers definition but not into Josh's definition. Even then, though, it might not be a good illustration for the PV article here; see discussions of how the Attack on Pearl Harbor was not a PV. SHARE . Pyrrhic Victory. Sorry, we weren't able to sign you up. Pointless probably, a cautionary tale of battle-induced tunnel vision definitely, but PV it is not. If strategic ones can be included, then the battle of isandlwana needs to go back, as it prevented a settlement being reached, and ensured the complete destruction and misiry under the British for the Zulu nation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FCC8:AD0B:B100:9D91:C866:A9A5:267 (talk) 04:26, 22 June 2018 (UTC). The Battle of Chancellorsville was added, then the comment encouraging editors not to add battles without checking the talk page and adding a cite was expanded by another editor, whose efforts I commend. Not to say anything of 'another such victory will ultimately cause defeat' !!! Shu Han VS Cao Wei, Battle of Lützen (1632) - Thirty Years' War, Battle of Malplaquet (1709) – War of the Spanish Succession, Battle of Bunker Hill (1775) - American Revolutionary War, Battle of Guilford Court House (1781) - American Revolutionary War, Battle of Berezina (1812) - French invasion of Russia (1812), Battle of Vuelta de Obligado (1845) - Anglo-French blockade of the Río de la Plata, Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands (1942) – World War II Pacific theatre, Solomon Islands Campaign, Unternehmen Bodenplatte (1945) – World War II, Battle of the Bulge, Battle of Chosin Reservoir (1950) – Korean War, Battle of Vukovar (1991) – Croatian War of Independence, Battle of Lützen (1632) – Swedes lost their king but otherwise it was a victory, not a PV, Battle of Berezina (1812) – was a disaster but not a PV, Battle of Vuelta de Obligado (1845) – both sides absorbed their losses so no PV, Battle of Crete (1941) – Axis won that one early in the war when they could afford the losses, despite a few references in the main article, Unternehmen Bodenplatte (1945) – an operational failure so not a PV, despite a few references in the main article, Battle of Heraclea (280 BC) – predates Pyrrhus's quotation so would be awkward to include, Battle of Didao – possibly, but the article is long and complicated, so it is not a good example for further study or understanding.